1. Making DUST 514 newbie friendly isn't how New Eden works. Sure, the tutorials should be improved, but nerfing higher tier weapons isn't going to solve the problem. This isn't a shooter like COD or Battlefield where anyone can pick up a gun and do decent against the most experienced players. This is an MMO, you can argue all you about the MMO term, but the fact remains that DUST remains connected to EVE Online, and thus some of it's rules apply here too. A frigate can never withstand a chance against a battleship or a titan, and you should never use anything you can not afford to lose. What matters is tactics, get some friends to team up with you and you won't be so helpless against the proto players.

2. CCP is already adding a King of the hill gamemode to Uprising, along with several new weapons and dropsuits plus a complete reimbursment of SP and the ISK spent on the said skills.

3. Dooming a game is always dumb, if you really think that a set of arbitrary goals will make or break a game in this case, then you obviously have never played EVE Online. Do us a favor and just leave already, we don't like Imps anyway.+¦

Hopefully with all the new modes, the noobstomping will be kept to a minimum, as long as there is another huge/semi-huge influx of players to allow the match maker to fill games in the correct regions with the same level players. Assuming they will have a match maker, and start putting people in with their respective regions.

But, its not like we were just given all this SP, ISK, and general knowledge of the game. They had the option to start anytime in between the day of Open Beta and May 14th. And they cant say they didnt know about since it was on the Sony Store Front for like 2+ weeks and spammed in the media bar.

No, games can gain in popularity over time, like EVE

I don't really expect dramatic changes with the new build. I do expect to see some new features and content. But other than that, manus peak will still be manus peak. Line Harvest will still be line harvest. We are only getting one new game mode.

Planetary Conquest and Faction Warfare should be interesting enough to keep us motivated until the next update. We have new dropsuits and such which will add more variety to the game and customization. Graphics will be better but the maps will still be the same. But they will be new for to new players, if you choose to look at it in that way.

I mean, it isn't going to be a total rehaul and I hope that players are aware of that. I don't want people to expect a totally new game and then find a lot of the old stuff and be heavily disappointed.

This game is barely keeping ahead of defiance -_-. It will be destroyed by destiny. Word of mouth for this game is terrible, even if they do add new content, and make a noticeable connection, the terrible support and improper nerfing and buffing of equipment has utterly destroyed this game.

CCP tried but failed, the MMO elements outscale the FPS elements. You can be as good as you want with your aim, be as clever as you want, but the old, heavy, numnuts will beat the new, nimble, genius, simply because he has more health and hits harder because of the skill system. The only real FPS element in this game is the fact that guns are involved in the damaging process.

FPS are based on personal reflexes, patience, and finding a weapon that suits your playstyle. MMOs are about veterancy and skill allocation. It will not matter if you aim better in dust, nor if you get the jump on your enemy, if youre standard taking on a proto youre ******.

It's ok though, CCP makes enough money to sustain EVE and Dust, so they're doing something right somewhere. Must be more MMO players than FPS players

I could write a long post on how i disagree with your view of what Will happend to dust, if the Things you mentioned does not happen. But others have had some fine arguments on why you might be wrong and more will come.

what I will say is, maybe you should leave and play that destiny, just cause of that ****** call of duty comment.

I played call of duty since the games came out and played the multiplayer of those games since 2004, even in league's. I can say that the games gone shittier n shittier, so for you to say they developed into better games, I remember really get it and shows how little u know of the cod series

You mean Call of Duty has become worse over time?
Also anything to do with halo is also BS gutter crap.

Dust is a great game I for one, cannot wait for the updates. Best game I have played in years, probably since the days of BF2142 / BF2 (For me personally anyway) Defo best game on consoles #FULLSTOP#

Thinking about the title of the thread...

Maybe all the whiners will go away as they realize this is not going to be a simple clone of other FPS games?

Then, after a few weeks, those of us who aren't looking for an FPS clone will play in peace... well, maybe not peace. ;)

I agree with most of what you said. At least sort of. This game will need to constantly improve to stay afloat and will need to bring some big wow factor every once in a while to get new players. The last thing we need to do is act like snobs. Snobs can go play EVE Online...

But you forgot a game. That one with the TV show on the Sci Fi channel. I can't remember the name off the top of my head. I seriously can't think of the name. (edit* Defiance that's what it was)

Anyway, it isn't like players only ever play one game at a time. It is going to be possible to play The Last of Us and any other games we want. Maybe not for the first week or so. But players aren't limited to only ever playing one game.

Also, don't underestimate FREE! It would cost me over $300 to play all those games on release in the next half year. I would like to bu I am going to only be able to pick one or two.

Wait a minute...

I'm getting my butt kicked all the time and I don't care. I'm not worried about any KDR, exploiting flaws, or any other nonsense on your list. I've never once tried to claim I was any good.

Did you read the thread?

We like the concept of Dust. A shooter experience in an evolving persistant world where there is action and consequence.

The fatal mistake in fanboi thinking is that New Eden and by extension Dust is the only universe that will exist in the coming decade that will allow for this concept.

With PS4 it is already becoming self evident that gameing and game development is moving more towards social gaming. That means creating communities that will travel in spheres from game to game as the bonds between players become more solidified. This already exists in gaming clans.

Shooter developers are catching on to this concept and looking to hybrid the shooter genre with the persistent world model of MMO/RPG.


Defiance was one iteration of this but its a PVE game so its already meh just becuase. But dont think for a second defiance didnt have cool concepts that pushed the iteration of a Shooter MMO forward.

Note how i put shooter first because that is the genre that is the most popular on console and the most lucrative market to tap into.

Destiny though we know nothing much of it. i can assure you will be the competitor of Dust. If it allows for all the persistance, intrigue, plotting and action/consequence that Dust provide in a more polished enjoyable shooter experience the sails will get sucked out of Dust because the shooter hardcore move in waves and pockets.

The shooter vets in here are mostly MAG vets but also play BF, COD, Uncharted, KZ, Socom, R;FOM and more. They all came here because they are ready for that next evolution in shooters :PERSISTANCE and the feel that actions matter.


But if DUST fails to deliver on the shooter experience then no amount of persistance will matter to them. They will leave and not come back. And there will be competitors that will fill this gap. To bury your head in the sand and blindly put faith into any corporation is simply being foolish and dismissive of a population you may not fully understand.

And in a instanced lobby shooter game once player counts drop low enough the stability of matches suffer as the game has to stretch over the globe to populate the games and you get incredible lag and rubber banding. In fact thats is already happening so you may want to consider that in your analysis before saying this game is doing fine and will be just okay because EVE did it so can Dust. EVE had a niche to grow in without competition for quite some time, not many Spaceship MMOs when it dropped.

Plenty of FPS and soon in the coming year(s) plenty of persistant world FPS MMOs will be developed; its simply the next evolution of the genre.